tewha7
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Post by tewha7 on Jul 6, 2015 17:04:56 GMT
My only problems with this proposal are around the edges. The minimum ages are all quite reasonable, but some of the paths described are not all that is available. Care to elaborate? Bear in mind this is about minimum ages, not really about career paths so much. Right. That's why I'm mostly agreeing here. I don't think it's important to consider the cases, since the minimum ages will still be met. The standard paths are the most efficient paths; any other path is going to end up with the would-be officer being older, not younger. If, for instance, you're a 30 year old doctor when you enter… sure, you might end up with a higher rank than Ensign. But it's because of the additional decade as a doctor.
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ryftlord
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Post by ryftlord on Jul 6, 2015 22:44:34 GMT
Care to elaborate? Bear in mind this is about minimum ages, not really about career paths so much. Right. That's why I'm mostly agreeing here. I don't think it's important to consider the cases, since the minimum ages will still be met. The standard paths are the most efficient paths; any other path is going to end up with the would-be officer being older, not younger. If, for instance, you're a 30 year old doctor when you enter… sure, you might end up with a higher rank than Ensign. But it's because of the additional decade as a doctor. Exactly,though the full medical track through the academy takes an additional four years, not ten. You would likely enter the service as an Lt. JG.
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Post by kneelb4zod84 on Jul 7, 2015 5:24:35 GMT
Just to be clear, my main, Kell has incorporated elements ( general elements) of STO canon into his bio--namely the (now resolved) war with the Klingons and the Borg attack on Delta Vega. You'll never hear Kell or any of my characters talking about the events of a Borg STF or being part of a major story element (unless it was being on one ship in a story mission that featured large fleet engagements). Did he fight at Starbase 24? Sure. Hundreds of ships fought there (in canon). Did he take down the Borg Queen with his hand phaser? Um, no. On that note, I've laid out Kell's career so that he took command not as an ensign, but as a lieutenant commander (and chief tactical officer) with eight years of service. It's all in his bio. It was also a Centaur-class light cruiser and he kept the rank for a while. (Read about it here! mmostorytellers.proboards.com/thread/266/orions-hunt) During the Dominion War, Lt. Cmdr. Jadzia Dax commanded the Defiant. She was a senior and highly-decorated bridge officer and the Defiant was a small ship (50 crew). I figured the canon applied just as well here.
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Post by Geralyn on Jul 7, 2015 6:21:54 GMT
Just to be clear, my main, Kell has incorporated elements ( general elements) of STO canon into his bio--namely the (now resolved) war with the Klingons and the Borg attack on Delta Vega. You'll never hear Kell or any of my characters talking about the events of a Borg STF or being part of a major story element (unless it was being on one ship in a story mission that featured large fleet engagements). Did he fight at Starbase 24? Sure. Hundreds of ships fought there (in canon). Did he take down the Borg Queen with his hand phaser? Um, no. On that note, I've laid out Kell's career so that he took command not as an ensign, but as a lieutenant commander (and chief tactical officer) with eight years of service. It's all in his bio. It was also a Centaur-class light cruiser and he kept the rank for a while. (Read about it here! mmostorytellers.proboards.com/thread/266/orions-hunt) During the Dominion War, Lt. Cmdr. Jadzia Dax commanded the Defiant. She was a senior and highly-decorated bridge officer and the Defiant was a small ship (50 crew). I figured the canon applied just as well here. Taking command of a ship as small as the Defiant-class, with a crew of 50, as an Lt. Cmdr? Perfectly workable. Lt. Commander after 8 years of service? Also perfectly workable. You've said nothing here that should conflict at all with the proposal, it fits perfectly. I would say based on this, you're already well within the proposed structure/format.
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Post by kneelb4zod84 on Jul 7, 2015 6:54:23 GMT
Cool. I'm pretty nuts about canon myself, so I figured I'd still be good.
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Post by firebringeraxel on Jul 7, 2015 8:10:58 GMT
Just to be clear, my main, Kell has incorporated elements ( general elements) of STO canon into his bio--namely the (now resolved) war with the Klingons and the Borg attack on Delta Vega. You'll never hear Kell or any of my characters talking about the events of a Borg STF or being part of a major story element (unless it was being on one ship in a story mission that featured large fleet engagements). Did he fight at Starbase 24? Sure. Hundreds of ships fought there (in canon). Did he take down the Borg Queen with his hand phaser? Um, no. Perfect example of how to work being part of in game events. Big multi-ship engagements make sense for numerous people to have been at. And notably the Centaur class is a great class of ship for lower ranks to get put in command of. They are dated ships with solid service histories under their belts that hold up to the test of time and are generally relegated to patrol duty or deployed in teams of 2-3 Centaur Classes. Off Topic My only nitpick (because I love the Centaur) is that it's a Frigate, not a light escort. "Light Escort" is STO's way of trying to make people feel less sad when they are stuck in the tiny old ships for those 1st few levels. Light Escorts in canon were quite a bit bigger as the Steamrunner is considered such and she's a fair bit bigger than a Centaur.
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Claudius
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Post by Claudius on Jul 8, 2015 15:27:41 GMT
While I agree with some of the people that think the numbers seem a bit low. These are the absolute minimum age afterall. They still give a chance for people that wanna play the young prodigy, without them being annoyingly stupid young. That said, I would like to see some more normal ages for all the ranks, just as a guideline thing next to them.
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ryftlord
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Post by ryftlord on Jul 8, 2015 20:47:15 GMT
While I agree with some of the people that think the numbers seem a bit low. These are the absolute minimum age afterall. They still give a chance for people that wanna play the young prodigy, without them being annoyingly stupid young. That said, I would like to see some more normal ages for all the ranks, just as a guideline thing next to them. I agree with this. It would be nice as an addition to the actual rule to have the list of "Average age and ranks" to come soon after.
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Post by Geralyn on Jul 8, 2015 21:08:53 GMT
Once you get past Lt. JG, there's no hard set average age. We're given a range of ages for Commander, and a minimum normal for Captain. Based on this, I've added a likely typical range of ages for the ranks between Lt. JG and Captain.'
This will not, however, be considered a rule, only a guideline. The only part of the discussion that would be considered a rule will be the minimum ages.
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Post by Geralyn on Jul 10, 2015 2:17:41 GMT
We plan to close the discussion here by Sunday night, at midnight EST. If there are any others wishing to contribute their opinions or thoughts, please do so between now and then.
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Post by Geralyn on Jul 13, 2015 11:32:47 GMT
The discussion has officially closed, and the thread will be locked. Based on the overwhelming number of comments in favor, and with nearly 800 views of the topic, we will consider this a consensus of fleet opinion. This now becomes a fleet rule, effective immediately. Minimum ages will be mandatory for all new member characters and alts of existing members being brought into the fleet.
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