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Post by emulator on May 20, 2014 7:59:44 GMT
Easy solution I think: Scrap the current idea, invite everyone into a discussion to voice concerns/suggestions/possibilities. THEN re-open the vote. Otherwise this is going to naturally degrade into a mud-slinging contest.
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Post by krow on May 20, 2014 16:26:32 GMT
HS, did I see an Avatar reference in there? While I still feel like there isn't enough interest to justify such a massive change, I'm liking the idea more now that you've clarified it. Maybe it'll be a "if you build it, they will come" kind of thing. It's pretty damn straight forward so I don't understand why people feel the need to quibble and squabble over the details. If you like the idea, vote yes. If not, then vote no and stop niggling.
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Post by hszmv on May 20, 2014 17:54:20 GMT
Chris, you might want to actually read my last post. I pretty much literally say we're not having a higher office than what we have right now.
Hint: Look under "Command".
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Post by Chris Winters on May 20, 2014 23:32:22 GMT
It wasn't in your last, but in the getting-there and in the vote post, HS.. that was a huge part of what threw me off so much.
IIRC it said "bring the KDF 3rd and the Rom 9th over and make Vil the overall CO of all 3" something along that line. If that's not what you wanted it to say, and this is a definitive 'b' now, that's my bad then.
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Post by hszmv on May 21, 2014 1:35:23 GMT
It was merge, not bring over.
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Post by Flynt on May 22, 2014 0:01:55 GMT
I think I mentioned this previously, but if not, I'll mention it again for myself and new for everyone else.
Could we start doing some of this IN CHARACTER?
It's great that people have ideas and positions, goals they would like to accomplish. However, I while I think our OOC goals are mostly the same (generate more quality RP for all factions), and some of the IC goals may be the same (deal with the Undine, Borg, and Iconians in any order--funny how the Voth really were just the bad guys of the week, but I digress); I think each faction and subfaction may also have additional, potentially mutually-exclusive goals that should have a chance to play out.
I think it would be fascinating to see characters jockey for position rather than assuming that there will be a single leader. Negotiating who leads under what circumstances could be fun--tense but possibly exicting. Heck, just acknowledging that even with common goals, the universe isn't going to suddenly accept that every faction can suddenly work together without a certain level of tension.
If we vote this into place, rather than seeing how at least some of this works in character--either with the characters we already have or with new ones ready to step in--I think we'll miss an opportunity to do something cool.
And just in case anyone's wondering, I'm not assuming that any of my KDF characters should just automatically be in a big position. Not that I don't have an idea of what position(s) they could assume, just that I think there's room for a lot of options. I would be more comfortable playing out some of those options IC, rather than just walking in one day and saying that so-and-so was named XXX.
Thanks for reading.
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Post by norcaler on May 22, 2014 5:10:54 GMT
From my understanding, seeds of this alliance will be planted in the next Avalon episode, so stay tuned to the same Bat-channel at the same Bat-time.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 5:19:05 GMT
Back to being the fly in the ointment, but there is no STO lore that has the Khitomer Accords being signed, just because it's a different year from ST and STO storyline doesn't make it so. Unless we want to bring this whole thing about through actual roleplay, I can't see the justification in just "snapping" this into place without a story behind it.
I do support the Accords, don't get me wrong, but having nothing to back it up except for the passage of time and having Klingons friendly to the Federation doesn't cut it in my book. Write the story, make it happen.
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Post by Gremstein on May 23, 2014 5:25:57 GMT
I don't know.. if you think about it, that's kinda how they did it in the show. DS9 season 4 opened with them fighting each other, then eventually it was like "Oh shit, Dominion, bro. We cool? We cool." And it was like nothing ever happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 8:15:33 GMT
Okay, this is only after less than a season had happened. We are talking nearly a decade of bloody war between the two factions. I don't expect a piece of paper that is going to wipe that all away just because the Iconians and the Undine show their faces. Nothing that I have seen in real world conflicts happens overnight. Treaties are often negotiated for weeks, months, or years before things are settled. My argument still stands, RP it out or it didn't happen.
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Post by firebringeraxel on May 23, 2014 15:06:59 GMT
I do support the Accords, don't get me wrong, but having nothing to back it up except for the passage of time and having Klingons friendly to the Federation doesn't cut it in my book. Write the story, make it happen. Could we start doing some of this IN CHARACTER? I don't think anyone has any intention of just waving a wand and saying "Tada alliance happened"! It has been mentioned at least twice in this thread that they have a story in mind to bring this about. Not to mention that I for one have no intent of playing my KDF characters like they are suddenly best buds with the Federation or Romulans; if anything they are using them to defeat an enemy they cannot overcome alone.
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Post by Geralyn on May 23, 2014 18:19:48 GMT
Something that needs to be brought up again - and as often as it takes for it to become common knowledge - Storyteller Fed and KDF fleet lore has established that there has already been a ceasefire for THREE YEARS. This three year (admittedly uneasy) armistice is not going to be retconned, and more than establishes the grounds for the actual official end of the war and new alliance. It already HAS been role-played - extensively - over the years.
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Post by hszmv on May 23, 2014 18:28:08 GMT
Yep. For those who need the refressher, STO lore is currently just getting into 2410. At time of this post, Storyteller Lore is 5/23/2413 and whatever the post time is.
So we've had about 3.5 years of ceasefire.
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Post by korzan on May 25, 2014 13:03:16 GMT
Then perhaps this should be posted somewhere on the forums. just saying you know.
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Post by Geralyn on May 25, 2014 22:21:57 GMT
hszmv is currently working on compiling a fleet lore/canon document, as noted here. It's the first time anything like this has been done, and there's a lot of stuff to put into it. We've been working on putting in 'writing' a lot of fleet information so new members can find it and existing members can refer to it. Considering the scope of the project, and the fact we really only got started on it in November, we're asking for a little patience.
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Post by asd886 on Jun 2, 2014 1:18:10 GMT
Definitely sounds like a good idea- fleet wide development is pretty much always good, and interesting. However, not so sure about how closely you have all the factions working together. Of course, the Iconian attack has shown everyone that they need to put aside their battles (momentarily at best), but I doubt we would see any Klingons accepting a position underneath a Starfleet admiral, or Feds being all too happy with a Klingon superior. What's more, last time I checked Romulan technology is far superior to Klingon and Starfleet- and they don't like giving it out, so having Starfleet officers serve onboard a Warbird would be a pretty big deal.
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Post by Flynt on Jun 5, 2014 23:55:03 GMT
NB. In game, they appear to be calling this cease fire/alliance the "Jenolan Accords."
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Post by Flynt on Sept 6, 2014 2:06:47 GMT
Since the last post before this one was June 7, I get the feeling this conversation is pretty much wrapped up. So, I'd like to request: 1) Pathfinders write up a summary of the discussion and highlight some of the things that will probably be targeted for development. 2) Go ahead and remove the link on this thread from the MOTD.
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Post by Geralyn on Sept 6, 2014 20:56:19 GMT
As he stated in this post, HS has been on light hiatus for the month of August due to participation in the annual NaNoWriMo event. Since this was his project, discussion was tabled until the event was over. As with any creative process, it's difficult to continue forward when other obligations get in the way, and the intent is to pick up the discussion again.
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