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Post by emulator on Nov 6, 2013 22:30:37 GMT
I know it's probably a little too late to actually establish these, but these have to be put down somewhere so people know these things exist:
Rule one: No one, and I mean NO ONE is allowed to go to the sphere before the release date of Nov 12. Whilst I know the prospect is tempting, I am imploring every one here to exercise patience until after the content has gone live. Until then The Sphere is off limits material.
Rule Two: Any ideas you may have in regards of the Sphere. It would be appreciative if you could talk to a GM about it so they can either discuss the idea to see if it will or won't work.
Rule Three: Whilst I'm sure you are anxious to do so. Do not hijack the plot for your own IC gain. This fleet has gone through enough, and is still going through it without people derailing what's been established
Whilst I'm sure only Rule one is to be enforced at all times until after Nov 12, I would appreciate it that people do not go over the GMs heads in the matter and seem either pushy or insistent they get to the sphere first. Any attempt to do so will be disavowed in terms of canon and the pathfinders will be informed.
Please post thoughts, complaints or what not into the allotted space below.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 4:39:17 GMT
Which canon? Besides I'm sure there are characters who knew all about the sphere before even getting there. I mean I don't mind anymore but isn't fleet canon decided simply by someone calling dibs on the settings and takes it to the direction they want?
From what I've seen you GM decently , but telling people not to use the Sphere because you think you might have a better story for it seems rather presumptuous that way , it should be up to each and every member of the fleet to decide If what you do works for them or if they rather have something else .
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Post by norcaler on Nov 7, 2013 7:32:18 GMT
Emulator is the GM for the Sphere event; he volunteered for the task and the fleet gave him the nod.
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Post by emulator on Nov 7, 2013 10:14:05 GMT
Okay. i get the facts mistakes, have will and are still being made. My not establishing these rules are testament to that.
But then again. if people continue to INSIST that they want to go to the sphere, all infallible and air-tight their lots to do it... all I will say is prepare to have you characters to die.
And by that, I don't just mean removed from the fleet. I mean DEAD dead. You must delete that character, taking all their OOC achievements with them, never to be heard from again. That is the type of 'dead' you can expect.
Although if everyone involved in whatever plotline that has not been passed by me until the last minute are fine with that little stipulation, then we will happily do so and I will randomly select someone from the list of players to kill off for good. If any one or more person has issues with the stipulation, I'm sorry but the plotline can't go ahead.
Harsh, I know and understand that. but it is the only way to emphasize the fact of what to expect, in an IC manner, what is going to happen the moment you pass over that threshold alone.
And as you see, another mistake on my part because A and 1) Should have mentioned this sooner, and B and 2) people are inevitably going to want to rip my throat out for establishing this amendment to Rule one and spoiling your fun. But how is it any better doing your own thing and leaving everyone else out in the lurch in terms of plot? Becasue we've all seen the reaction before many a time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 12:03:17 GMT
I'll phrase it in a TV torpes way.
Giant Voth ship fires, everybody dies.
Okey.... by the way... The Voth has been around for 65 million years.
This should mean that their tech is so advanced that they make the Feds and such look like cavemen by comparison. They should be a challange for the Imperium of Man or the Galactic Empire with their planet-destroying Retribution battleships and Death Stars.
How can the Trek races face something so old? The only, the only explanation I can think of is that the Voth Doctrine really hampered their technological advance, and the advance much more slowly than other races.
If they advanced on the same rate as others.... they would make the Iconians and the Borg look like stone age barbarians with sticks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 15:34:04 GMT
Emulator is the GM for the Sphere event; he volunteered for the task and the fleet gave him the nod. Just to clarify this , I never gave him a nod, am I not part of the fleet? (i'll accept a 'yes' to that if needed , but I hope you can see that discussing me, personally, isn't really the point of the question) And its not that I have a problem with Emulator GMing either but if you want to introduce restrictions for other players, shouldn't they be involved in the decision to accept or reject these?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 16:54:44 GMT
... OK.. I feel I have to say this. Em. I have a great deal of respect for what you do, I understand how massive an undertaking of this kind can be, and how overwhelming it can be with so many people wanting to be part of the event and to contribute and be among the top achievers in such an event. However. Establishment of rules (which was a good call) aside, No one. NO ONE has the right to demand of another player that they delete a character from the account which they pay for. NO ONE. If you want to establish a means of control fine, but that is way out of bounds. Other than this, I have no problem with any of what you're saying, and I support your efforts. You're a talented and intelligent GM and I enjoy the work you put into plots for both the Avalon RP and any and all other related content. Thank you so much for the effort and the hard work.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 17:04:05 GMT
I propose this: Any character activities to the sphere prior to the GMed event will be considered non-fleet canon, and therefore inadmissible in any way in RP.
This way, nobody has to lose a toon, and nobody looks like a draconian jerk. If the rule is violated, all activities related to the violation are simply ignored and not acknowledged. However, if the GM cautions you because it seems you are meta-gaming on prior knowledge, you need to listen, and obey. Otherwise, I guess I would side with Em completely on this. You cannot go play this, then use that information to YOUR personal advantage in a GMed event. It's unethical and underhanded.
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Post by norcaler on Nov 7, 2013 17:11:57 GMT
I agree withe aegea. Also, the decision to have the fleet enter the sphere en masse during an RP event was to be fair to all rather than be seen as giving any one RP ship or RP group within the fleet preferential treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 17:18:52 GMT
Yeah! What they said
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Post by norcaler on Nov 7, 2013 17:39:08 GMT
Then let me propose a second...proposal: the event will cover the fleet's arrival in the sphere and the immediate aftermath. After that, each RP ship and each roleplayer are free to do whatever they wish. The sphere's interior surface area is equivalent to 550 million M-class planets. I think that's just enough space to play in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 17:44:59 GMT
Sounds reasonable. And, yes. AFTER the event.
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Post by Tiana on Nov 7, 2013 22:41:48 GMT
I agree withe aegea. Also, the decision to have the fleet enter the sphere en masse during an RP event was to be fair to all rather than be seen as giving any one RP ship or RP group within the fleet preferential treatment. I have to point out norc, that you seem to have taken the first episode in the featured series and pretty much took it for your own with the Avalon securing the Obelisk. I'd like to know when I can do the same.
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Post by norcaler on Nov 7, 2013 23:44:15 GMT
I agree withe aegea. Also, the decision to have the fleet enter the sphere en masse during an RP event was to be fair to all rather than be seen as giving any one RP ship or RP group within the fleet preferential treatment. I have to point out norc, that you seem to have taken the first episode in the featured series and pretty much took it for your own with the Avalon securing the Obelisk. I'd like to know when I can do the same. That decision was made by the GM. I can only guess on the reason.
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Post by Tiana on Nov 7, 2013 23:49:23 GMT
I have to point out norc, that you seem to have taken the first episode in the featured series and pretty much took it for your own with the Avalon securing the Obelisk. I'd like to know when I can do the same. That decision was made by the GM. I can only guess on the reason. Fair enough. I'm sure everyone will get their fair share of the spotlight their characters deserve.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 23:51:56 GMT
Every rp ship is a spotlight in itself already.
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Post by emulator on Nov 7, 2013 23:59:25 GMT
If you'll allow me to explain my actions last week... provided I'm coherent enough as I am half-way tired at this point.
The intended RP I had planned for last week was going to be an attempt at a 'Halloween episode'... to which I was expecting it to suck hard as Horror isn't one of my strongest genres but I was willing to give it a shot in the spirit of the season.
Then Cryptic pull their bait and switch releasing the Featured Episode a day early, I honestly had hoped it wouldn't effect my intended plot but so derailed was it I had to do what I do best and improvise, in this instance, I had to do it fast... so I decided, with consultation, to RP the second half of the FE, something quick, easy and what most people will have done. Now I see it's something else to add to the ever-mounting pile of mistakes in my name.
Feel free to hold it against me, you're more than entitled to for potentially screwing everybody around. All I can do is apologize, even if it's not enough to fix the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 0:16:59 GMT
I agree withe aegea. Also, the decision to have the fleet enter the sphere en masse during an RP event was to be fair to all rather than be seen as giving any one RP ship or RP group within the fleet preferential treatment. I have to point out norc, that you seem to have taken the first episode in the featured series and pretty much took it for your own with the Avalon securing the Obelisk. I'd like to know when I can do the same. Since Ounius and most of STO have an Obelisk its reasonable to assume that it is a standard voth ship class (non unique) so the whole fleet could commandeer these , which would be funny since then the fleet's federation class star-ships become obsolete, technology-wise. like many things in 'post-ds9-startrek' the obelisk seems like yet another overpowered plot-device because if its up to sto we will all have a personal-iconian-gateway when they run out of ideas. @other people: if this is an attempt to change the way fleet canon works I am all for it, but in that case I would expect something more structured where everyone can agree and know how to fit in and what is required. (I'm not talking about 'message X in private and if he is in the mood he will answer and we will sort something out' since that is probably the #2 cause behind every fleet drama). You can brush this aside now if you want of course, just don't say later that you were unaware of other people outside of your in-crowd possibly getting marginalized.
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Post by norcaler on Nov 8, 2013 6:44:56 GMT
Maybe what is required to resolve these issues is a ruling from the Pathfinders lest the inmates continue to run the asylum. A full and binding decision by Geralyn, Kal, and Vasco. That is why they were elected to their posts, right? Because if something isn't done on their part, this fleet is in a lot of trouble. I've invested too much over the last two years to watch the Storytellers collapse due to bickering and lack of guidance, the former we've had too much of late and the latter little at all. Forgive me if I'm laying down a gauntlet, but there it is.
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Post by Geralyn on Nov 8, 2013 9:30:37 GMT
A gauntlet is hardly necessary, where simply asking one of us will do. I have spoken to Kal, and we will speak with Vasco at the earliest opportunity. After reading the whole thread, I feel a mostly suitable solution was posted earlier in this thread, but we can issue a ruling if that is not sufficient. Watch this space.
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